Po has been detected, any other providers to use in the mean time?

[Fighters87]

precisely! but, as zeb wrote, many have requested a refund... for a game that has yet to be released...

[zebleer]

Originally Posted by eradicatekikes

all due respect that sounds pretty scummy knowing it's detected and letting ppl inject just so you can get test results to fix the detection. I get what you're saying about people that already injected they where already going to get banned. but what about the new people that bought a subscription ??? and injected for the very first time ever ??

I know, I feel really bad. I imagine all the excited people who bought MW3 beta PO cheat, injected it, ready to have some fun, and they got banned because I lied to them so I could trick Ricochet

I made a hard decision in a stressful situation

Ultimately, I understood that most people already had a ban coming to them. Ricochet detected me near the end of September and I was unaware of the detection until ~Oct 12/13. Bans were already coming to everyone who had used MW2 in the last weeks. Most MW3 pre-orders already injected. The damage was done. I had to decide to risk further new user's accounts to save my OG users from waiting for a long time for the detection to be fixed

My OG users are my priority. Usually when a decision must be made between them and X, Y, or Z I will pick them

It doesn't mean I had a fun time making that decision

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Originally Posted by eradicatekikes

idk Cobalt every since they added the anti-cheat blocker they have proven to be unhittable every other big provider have been detected left right and center and somehow Cobalt manages to survive. I'm not a fan of cobalt I think the dev is a paste never fixes any of the features that are broken he definitely is a lazy piece of shit. but I just don't understand how ricochet is detecting all these bypasses and drivers Etc but Can't detect a simple anti-cheat blocker that stopping the anti cheat form running is really mind-blowing.

The anti-cheat blocker is the biggest embarrassment to Ricochet of all time & they have done nothing about it. I agree

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Originally Posted by Razza099

Total c you next Tuesday move on Zeb’s part, zero excuse to withhold the detection the moment he knew. I won’t be going back to P.O. fucking selfish shit plain and simple, and his latest telegram announcement is just self saving nonsense, weak as fuck and takes zero responsibility. This pri*k was telling people it wasn’t detected and the mw3 bans would most likely lift when the full game launched. You can’t trust anyone like that, zero credibility.

I have gone into great detail why I withed information so if you've reviewed the facts and you think I'm a cunt (just say the word btw), then so be it. You have every right to never buy from PO again based on what you've seen & read

I will continue to prioritize my OG users over brand new ones. I will continue to be tricky & avoid giving Ricochet insight needed to get an upper hand on me. If that's a problem for you, you are not out of luck. Plenty of providers share with their community exactly what they are thinking & doing. Just remember that the anti-cheat sees what they say too, not just their community

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Originally Posted by OG1337!

Not going to lie , ZEB, you dropped the ball by allowing your software to be detected for that long . It looks like a cynical move to me tbh. Cynical use to allow his users to use his program that was written with detected script to get people banned in order for them to purchase hide own personal cleaner were typically resulted with false reset . And formally installs his own OS to your PC. Overall as a DEV you should either be committed or be ready to step down from the position you’re in. Because we all know that this isn’t forever unless you make it forever. There is going to be upcoming providers either way to make a quick buck because it’s the thing to do. On other hands ZEB your excuse or whatever you want to claim. Isn’t and shouldn’t be accepted because for one , you allowed your community that trusted you in 2 years to have their back . But no , you allowed your program to be injected in order to figure out your issue ? Either you getter better at figuring it out or you start guaranteeing the no detections . Either or you and I both know you can individually send out a bad loader to anyone and they can be banned instantly because you didn’t want them using your shit anymore . Plain and simple.

This post makes absolutely no sense to me what-so-ever. It sounds like you haven't reviewed what I did & why I did it because what you're talking about is not sounding related to anything that I did.

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Originally Posted by Zlaner

At the moment they say they know how they were detected and that it was a very risky way for Activision to do this and that it will lead to many false positives, innocent players being banned.

Now is this true, or just a story made up to try to be excused?

Why did this way only affect the PO?

Thanks

The detection Ricochet implemented against PO has the potential to falsely ban some innocent legitimate players. The behavior (from PO) that was detected can be seen by legitimate individuals with a certain configuration on their machine

What I was saying is that I don't think Ricochet cares about this false positive potential because it means they hit PO. Most PO users will get banned

I don't understand why you mean by me making that up to be excused? It's still a detection. I'm coming out saying I was detected on MW2 before any MW2 bans are even reported. If I was trying to get out of it I wouldn't have told everyone I was detected

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Originally Posted by Razza099

No it’s just funny he knew it was detected weeks ago according to him. He still released a beta cheat for lifetime subs knowing it was detected and also detected on mw2. No one should trust him after that. That’s super childish pussy way to do his community. Dude is just greedy as hell. Zero issues before he started wasting time making cheats for cs2 and ow. I’m not even making a ticket I’m just charging back my mw3 lifetime preorder. Was away at work for 4 weeks and only got home Friday if this bi*ch had any balls he should have never hid the detection for weeks letting everyone inject let alone giving lifetime subs the beta cheat knowing that was detected too. Bi*ch move Zeb, super bi*ch move. Go f**k yourself homie.



Z we both know that’s a total load of BS, just like him saying “you’ll be unbanned at full release on mw3” when he knew PO was detected weeks ago on mw2 and still dropped the beta cheat knowing that was going to be detected as well as it’s the same fucking engine and game. Zero trust from me going forward. I’ve been with PO a long time had a mw2 lifetime and also preordered mw3 lifetime. He did his whole community dirty.

I think there's been a misunderstanding. I did not know of the detection weeks ago. The detection happened weeks ago at the end of September but I wasn't aware of it until Oct 12/13. I kept injects open for a few days to get test results & then announced the detection & closed injects.

I did this mostly because the damage was already done. By the time I realized I was detected, people going back weeks injecting MW2 were already going to get banned. People had already been injecting the MW3 beta cheat and were either already banned or had a ban coming.

What you're describing is not what happened at all & I don't understand why you'd want to chargeback when we would easily give a refund if you made a ticket? Opening cases like that can cause issues between you & your card company or bank. If you do it too much they will assume you are committing fraud & it can affect your consumer scores in some countries. Yes it leaves a mark on my processing account too but I don't understand why you wouldn't want to just make a ticket, get a refund, be done

https://www.phantomoverlay.io/support/

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[Robsev]

Originally Posted by zebleer

I explain why in my announcement. Ricochet would delay bans if I stopped injections. I wanted to play dumb for a few days so I could get test results & find what was detected. It worked, I found exactly what was detected

Keep in mind that the detection was multiple weeks ago. You all already had bans coming. A few extra days of injecting didn't hurt anything further

It actually hurt me big time I haven't injected in 2+months for mw2, I literally spent money for the mw3 lifetime. And then got my account banned and pc hwid flagged. I guess a few casualties like me are ok. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that.

But hey I know what cheating means.
Being banned is literally inevitable now.

No sense in picking and choosing between the selective few of providers wisely. There's no such thing now.

[zebleer]

Originally Posted by Robsev

It actually hurt me big time I haven't injected in 2+months for mw2, I literally spent money for the mw3 lifetime. And then got my account banned and pc hwid flagged. I guess a few casualties like me are ok. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that.

But hey I know what cheating means.
Being banned is literally inevitable now.

No sense in picking and choosing between the selective few of providers wisely. There's no such thing now.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I knew that some brand newcomers to PO would be hit in this maneuver but I did it for the greater good of my OG users like you. So I'm very sad to hear an OG user like you had this happen unnecessarily. I really didn't consider that possibility at the time

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[eradicatekikes]

Originally Posted by zebleer

I'm really sorry to hear that. I knew that some brand newcomers to PO would be hit in this maneuver but I did it for the greater good of my OG users like you. So I'm very sad to hear an OG user like you had this happen unnecessarily. I really didn't consider that possibility at the time

what's the point of catering to the OG users when probably 90% of the OG's are ban or are going to get ban I think you should have catered to new users you could have saved their accounts all the ogs were already going to get banned so you could at least saved new users accounts

dont see the point of catering to the OG's if they already ban and lost they main.

[JonSnow_ii]

I just have one question. As someone who is new and trying to look into discussions about what provider to use for Cod. When you guys are having these big discussions with multiple paragraphs… why is it when you finally name the product you say **** like AA is this and PO is that. Like now I gotta find out what AA product is. **** you can write essays on here but gotta shorthand the actual names for us people?

Like Sure I could try AA or IW. One small problem. I don’t have an encyclopedia of all known cod cheat providers to look them up to see which one you mean when you used the short hand for AA and IW. I’m new to the cod scene unfortunately, however I am happy you saved a lot of time abbreviating those two providers names to AA and IW. Tell me what did you do with all that time you saved?

[000xx9]

Originally Posted by JonSnow_ii

I just have one question. As someone who is new and trying to look into discussions about what provider to use for Cod. When you guys are having these big discussions with multiple paragraphs… why is it when you finally name the product you say **** like AA is this and PO is that. Like now I gotta find out what AA product is. **** you can write essays on here but gotta shorthand the actual names for us people?

Like Sure I could try AA or IW. One small problem. I don’t have an encyclopedia of all known cod cheat providers to look them up to see which one you mean when you used the short hand for AA and IW. I’m new to the cod scene unfortunately, however I am happy you saved a lot of time abbreviating those two providers names to AA and IW. Tell me what did you do with all that time you saved?

AA = Artificial Aiming
IW = Interwebz
PO = Phantomoverlay
PC= Proofcore
KA= Kernaim
EO= Engineowning
SC= Systemcheats

[Afro2G]

Originally Posted by JonSnow_ii

I just have one question. As someone who is new and trying to look into discussions about what provider to use for Cod. When you guys are having these big discussions with multiple paragraphs… why is it when you finally name the product you say **** like AA is this and PO is that. Like now I gotta find out what AA product is. **** you can write essays on here but gotta shorthand the actual names for us people?

Like Sure I could try AA or IW. One small problem. I don’t have an encyclopedia of all known cod cheat providers to look them up to see which one you mean when you used the short hand for AA and IW. I’m new to the cod scene unfortunately, however I am happy you saved a lot of time abbreviating those two providers names to AA and IW. Tell me what did you do with all that time you saved?

PO = PhantomOverlay
AA = ArtificialAiming
IW= Interwebz

[SonGoku009]

Originally Posted by JonSnow_ii

I just have one question. As someone who is new and trying to look into discussions about what provider to use for Cod. When you guys are having these big discussions with multiple paragraphs… why is it when you finally name the product you say **** like AA is this and PO is that. Like now I gotta find out what AA product is. **** you can write essays on here but gotta shorthand the actual names for us people?

Like Sure I could try AA or IW. One small problem. I don’t have an encyclopedia of all known cod cheat providers to look them up to see which one you mean when you used the short hand for AA and IW. I’m new to the cod scene unfortunately, however I am happy you saved a lot of time abbreviating those two providers names to AA and IW. Tell me what did you do with all that time you saved?

AA = ArtificialAiming
IW = Interwebz

[TransPrincess]

Originally Posted by zebleer

I will continue to prioritize my OG users over brand new ones. I will continue to be tricky & avoid giving Ricochet insight needed to get an upper hand on me. If that's a problem for you, you are not out of luck. Plenty of providers share with their community exactly what they are thinking & doing. Just remember that the anti-cheat sees what they say too, not just their community

This is a pretty odd statement to make, considering you're running a business you should be catering to all of your customers and treating/viewing them all as equals. I assume you're talking about protecting your OG members, though if I'm misunderstanding you then please correct me.

In terms of feature requests, connections and such yeah I do understand prioritizing older customers / OG members opinions and thoughts.

In terms of security though? You should treat all of your customers equally if they're all on the same build.

From your statements you made it seem like you knew about the detection several days ago and that's understandable. Its not possible to really notice a targeted detection until its too late. Leaving the injections enabled though as well as purchases just seems like a good way to fuck your reputation, though. You could have used any excuse to prevent people from loading your cheat (e.g server issues, etc..) instead you let people get banned on their mains and not only that, you've just got all your new customers (as well as some OG customers in this thread who didn't inject for weeks until the beta) get their hardware banned.

Let's be real everyone in this scene who runs a P2C is here to make money, so why would you not want to gain more customers and keep them at your website? This just feels like you've basically fucked off anyone ever wanting to trust their main account with you again.

Don't get me wrong, I can understand your perspective because I'm friends with a lot of people who run their own P2C. I have nothing against you either and you seem very professional from what I've seen. Eventually everyone slips up and makes a mistake, that's just how we are as humans. But I think you need to acknowledge that clearer instead of saying you care more for your OG members.

And at the end of the day, ban waves happen. There is nothing you or any provider can do if a banwave is targeted. It'll happen to all of us eventually. Most of us who have been around in the scene since 2010 or even earlier know about that. Newgen of cheaters will cry and chargeback. Sorry to hear about your banwave though, hopefully your reputation isn't ruined too badly.

[Gotopiz]

Idk man. I understand that people are frustrated by Zeb’s decisions in the midst of this detection, but I do feel that it is being blown out of proportion since there are a lot of people who are about to lose their main for the very first time and they are freaking out.

When I lost my main during the Mobius wave, I was absolutely devastated and ******. I felt betrayed by Team Mob who boasted their security; But at the end of the day, all cheese will get spoiled, and I came to terms that there is ALWAYS A RISK when cheating, security features or not.

Since then I have been hit a 2nd time during the IW wave and by that point, my new perspective made me realize that it was no big deal. Just create a new acc and move on. It is what it is.

PO users are most likely going through the same feelings I had with Mob. Denial, frustration, betrayal. But they will get over it. Welcome to the club!

[dakota1013]

Originally Posted by Gotopiz

Idk man. I understand that people are frustrated by Zeb’s decisions in the midst of this detection, but I do feel that it is being blown out of proportion since there are a lot of people who are about to lose their main for the very first time and they are freaking out.

When I lost my main during the Mobius wave, I was absolutely devastated and pissed. I felt betrayed by Team Mob who boasted their security; But at the end of the day, all cheese will get spoiled, and I came to terms that there is ALWAYS A RISK when cheating, security features or not.

Since then I have been hit a 2nd time during the IW wave and by that point, my new perspective made me realize that it was no big deal. Just create a new acc and move on. It is what it is.

PO users are most likely going through the same feelings I had with Mob. Denial, frustration, betrayal. But they will get over it. Welcome to the club!

The reason why so many people are very upset over the detection is because many people like myself put our trust in Zeb cause he has always been very transparent about things over the years until now. Since he wasn't transparent and chose to use us as "bait" to get at ricochet to figure out what was detected, he has made many of us lose our main accounts that would of never been banned had he just told us it was detected. He says that he just assumed anyone who owned the cheat had been using it and was fucked anyway so that's why he used us as bait, but ya know some of us play other games and don't just live on cod cause it's pretty shit. He could of very easily looked at some of the OG members accounts to see when they had last used the MW2 cheat and saw that there would be people getting banned for no reason but he chose to fuck us all over and then try to keep us on his side by acting like we were all fucked anyway. IMO that ruins his reputation pretty bad.

[Jxnsey]

PO had an amazing run while it lasted and I'm sure they will be back stronger, but for now, I will look at new providers for MW3 launch and maybe return to PO in future when the dust has settled.

Hoping because I haven't injected with PO for months and months now, that I should be okay with the detection and not getting banned?

[Comatose702]

Originally Posted by zebleer

You're such a loser, shock. Just talk **** like the rest of the people who hate me. Don't try & pretend like you're a concerned user who "lost their account" and is thinking PO isn't the move anymore

PO was never the move for you. You don't use PO. You have been telling me for 2 years how how much you hate me & hate PO. You are the only person I've ever blocked on Telegram

Drop the fake narrative & concerned PO user act & just be a man & say how you really feel

P.O. is still the Best. I sur Fika will take care of everyone. And he said he will harden the coding so it does not get detected again. The guy is smart, he already figured out how it got detected. i give him couple weeks, and Boom its on again!

[Vexicity]

Originally Posted by zebleer

Plenty of providers share with their community exactly what they are thinking & doing. Just remember that the anti-cheat sees what they say too, not just their community

Agreed, when you get big sharing is almost stupid.