Mobiuscheats - Yet another shady business?
I would like to build a case against Mobiuscheats.com based on a negative experience I had today. This will be a looong post and I apologize in advance. I will attempt to write as concise and as coherent as possible. If you are at all interested, I suggest grabbing a cup of your favorite beverage and approximately 10 minutes of your time.
TL;DR: The people who run mobiuscheats are in bed with a shady Russian thief of a reseller. They are either perfectly aware or completely indifferent. Both of which are absolutely inexcusable, unacceptable, and does
not warrant a green
LEGIT PROVIDERS stamp of approval in the OP of this thread.
Here are the ugly details as an opening appetizer: No, I did not get to test their cheat. No, I did not talk to a staff member or moderator of mobius. Before you hit the quick reply button and label me a retard, please bare with me for another one or two minutes. I will attempt to redeem myself.
Based on the resources of this very thread I've narrowed down my choice for a Warzone 2 cheat. Phantomoverlay looked very temping as well as professional. Mobius looks quite similar and boasts a suspiciously similar feature set. They even run the same forum software. There is only one difference: the price. That's what drove me to try out Mobius over Phantom; it's slightly cheaper. Check the cheat status, store, price, reviews. Everything looks alright on first glance. Then the problem: The only accepted payment method are credit cards. That's fine. I have one. I'd just prefer something with more security. A reputable middle man for instance. Something like xsolla or sellix, whatever else might be out there. I don't feel well entering that sort of information into a self-hosted forum text box. Most CCs have no 2fa as far as I'm aware. You've got the details, you're free to shop to your heart's content. Given my experience that I will outline, I have reason to assume that every customer's credit card information is at danger.
I know. I'm reaching a bit far. I'm aware of that, so take it with a grain of salt. It's just my own personal feeling at this point.
This concludes part 1 of my predicament:
payment method.
Secondly: There is no immediate means to quickly reach out to a staff member. I admit it, I was impatient. So, creating a forum thread in the pre-purchase section seemed tedious. What about Telegram or Discord? Well, one of the four major forum categories is
Alternate Payment Methods. The first sentence of the description states:
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We accept credit card on site or crypto if you make a ticket in discord.
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To which I ask: Which Discord? There is no official Discord server. At least not that I could find any on the site. All the top links and contact us links lead to one of two telegram channels. One solely for announcements and one to interact with their FAQ/Support bot. I checked it out. There were other users commenting under the telegram posts asking for help. Seemed like a crappy method of reaching out to me. The only guy I got to skim over was ignored.
Ah, so what if? All the necessary information can be found on the site anyway! Payments should be processed automatically, you get your VIP status, you get your download link and instructions and everything sets itself automatically. We've all been there. I understand there are numerous reasons why you would distance yourself from your userbase and not provide a direct hotline to your moaning customers. We don't have to talk about that. On first glance, it just raises further concern however.
The core problem: Reseller
Okay, so no Discord server to be found. The second phrase of their forum headline is as follows:
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For all other payment methods such as Paypal etc, please reach out to our authorized reseller.
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Cool, sounds good. I've been through a couple of resellers in the past, without problem to this date. Until now. I've got some crypto stashed away, so that would be my preferred method of payment. I do have a PayPal as well, however the anonymity of crypto seemed more preferable.
This is the URL that forwards you to their "authorized reseller" of trust.
Wow, this guy offers
how many payment methods?! Some
67 if you count every crypto coin separately. Damn, this guy must be a pro! There's no way anything could go wrong at this point.
At the bottom of his page he links several social handles on which you can contact him. I found Discord to be the most immediate and comfortable way of contact. If I was able to catch him online, I could be done within a couple of minutes and own my product as advertised.
Discord handles are a unique combination of nickname + a unique number identifier. If he says he's
Mar1k#1993, then there is no room for anyone to impersonate him. I copy-pasted the nickname straight from the website to make sure there was no room for error. All too often we've seen impersonators and scammers with similar handles trying to pull off shady schemes. I'm going over this just so you can tick this off the list of potential excuses.
Making contact
I will summarize the conversation for the sake of this thread, as well as provide screenshots from the entirety of the private conversation on Discord. I captured the screencaps with ShareX as JPEG with a mild compression of 10%. I will upload the whole bulk of it to an imgur album with some comments (both for ease of access as well as longevity). Note: my Discord theme looks off because I am using a custom theme. I am perfectly aware that Discord logs can be doctored by editing the underlying source because the whole thing is essentially just a web browser running a dynamic web page. I did not do any of these. Again, I am stating this ahead of time to counter any possible refutation. If you do believe that I have edited anything, then feel free to provide counter-proof. Although I ask of you: do not try to bend reality beyond the degree that you've already done.
Full logs:
- I send a friend invite and a test message to see if I can message him without friend list (it failed, he does not allow messages from non-friends, hence the red font color)
- He asks me what I want and I reply with Mobius Warzone 2.0 30D, plus preferred payment method
- ETH is supposedly no problem, he sends me a wallet address and the amount (a hefty 33% fee, as the desired amount is $40 USD - versus the shop price of $30.00 USD)
- I have some regrets at this point and wonder if it wasn't smarter to change to PO since I end up paying more here. But again, I've been through resellers before and some additional fees are part of the game. Although usually Crypto receives a mild discount, not cranked up fees on top. Driven by impatience, I figured this deal would be done within the next two minutes and I'd be owner of a new product. Fuck it.
- I confirm that I had sent it on my end and that I was awaiting his confirmation.
- Over 7 minutes later "didn't get yet"
- Oh for fuck's sake. How could this be? I've made many similar transactions and ETH is nowadays confirmed within a couple of seconds. So what could be wrong?
- I check my e-mails to access the coinbase transaction history
- They state the transaction is not only complete but also confirmed on the blockchain
- You simply cannot refute this. This is the main advantage of crypto. It's 1s and 0s. And it can be seen and verified by anyone.
- I open the etherscan.io link and try to make sense of it (I do not claim to be a crypto expert). Green checkmarks, dozens of block confirmations. In my book, that means that everything is alright and should have gone through.
- I give him the benefit of the doubt and I wonder if the mistake lies with my or my exchange, coinbase. Why does the value say its $0? What is this contract, what does "Coinbase 10" mean in brackets? I CTRL-F his wallet address and sure enough it's listed there as one of the contract recipients but I at this point I have no clue what it means. The amount sure checks out. Exactly 0.03361994 Ether, plus or minus a few cents due to volatility. At the time of me sending the currency it was more than $40 USD AND I covered $1.50 in transaction fees.
- I send him the following two images to ensure him that they money should be there, just check your wallet, what can be so hard?!
- What's even better. Why don't you check yourselves directly? - his wallet address is: 0x122e3636ad1727DF1eF69AB26956964268Dd5b43
- How does he talk his way out of this one?!
- He sends me the etherscan.io link to his wallet:
- He insists that if there is no new transaction at the top (most recent transaction 4 days old as of writing this), then it must mean that he did not receive any money and that I did something wrong.
- Again, not every experienced with crypto I believe that he might be right so I keep refreshing etherscan, look up his wallet, my wallet, trying to make sense of this coinbase transaction.
- I spend some of my time researching this garbage and what I find out amounts to roughly this:
- Coinbase bundles multiple (small) transactions within special contracts to save gas fees. I'm not sure what privilege they get but they kind of been a big player in the space, so it makes sense to me. Then I ask myself: how the fuck is it then not showing up in the transaction list?
- Well, it's completely normal, all you have to do it go check the "Internal Txns" tab on etherscan.io. It lists transactions which are part of a larger contract.
- 70 minutes had passed by this point!
- I send him what I found out, I send him the link, I tell him where to look, I ensure him, for the second time that he has with no doubt received the funds.
- Here's a metaphor. We stand outside, I grab him by the hand and I point towards the sky. I say, "Look up! The sky is blue, is it not?". To which he insist, "No, it is clearly red".
- Before that I ask what kind of wallet he had and if he could not simply check it, check his transaction history, instead of relying on etherscan.
- "i don't need check anything", "let me know when u fixed it", "or send with btc / LTC"
- Oh, that's funny. After you've ripped me off you invite me to send you even more money? How retarded do you think I am?
- The rest of the conversation is useless garbage; I invite you to read it from the screencaps however.
- He sends a screenshot of my etherscan link, the one coinbase provided of the contract, and he added a red arrow pointing to the $0.00 USD value of the contract. Yeah, I admit I have no clue what that means. Maybe that the contract itself has no value? I have no time nor energy to look this shit up. You are the supposed payment expert, I expect you to deal with this regularly, I expect you to explain it to me instead of insinuating that I am now somehow a scammer. Instead, you put me in a position where I have to clean my name and go out to research this crap that anyone dealing with crypto probably knows. And are we just going to ignore that the transactions listed above ?
Those familiar with Crypto will probably roll their eyes in boredom, however to me as well as others, this might be new. This scamming scheme implies that there is something wrong with
you and that you are too dumb to send a transaction. With no knowledge and no other way to verify, you might fall for his shit and believe it.
Funny solution
Yes, why don't we AnyDesk for a bit so I can spill some more personal information for you. Or maybe you could drag and drop your personal rootkit onto my desktop to screw everything I've ever owned? Why don't I also send you my exact geo-location and prepare a couple of Molotov cocktails outside my house, so you can kill me more effortlessly while you ransack my house?
Is there anyone who still doubts that this reseller is disingenuous and has claimed his free ETH for no service in return?
If so, I encourage you to go back and at least read the chatlogs on imgur. Tell me that he is not pulling the most questionable mental gymnastics to make it seem as if I was at fault? And then simply check the etherscan.io link provided in the list earlier. It's there. Black on white. His wallet received Ether with a value of $40 USD earlier today. Period.
"my exchanger use i think binance", oh, so you're providing reselling services and you're not even the person in charge of the crypto wallet(s)!?
YOU THINK your ominous "exchanger" (whatever the fuck that means) uses Binance? Oh, so that means you can't even check it yourself? How convenient!
What this means for mobiuscheats.com
I am convinced that any reasonable person will agree that this Mar1k person is fraudulent. Due to the nature of crypto, there is no way to talk yourself out of this situation. mobiuscheats.com has apparently sprouted up only one year ago. Please do correct me if I am wrong because as I understand it there has been a rebranding / new homepage, so my statement can be misleading. Anyway, let's say a relatively new player in the space. If you want success, then it is in your best interest to maintain a good image and good customer relations.
On your web forum, the primary stop for anyone interested in any of your products, you advertise and redirect any interested and potential customer towards the most shady thief I have honestly ever met in two decades of my online life. Usually payment is just a small obstacle towards exchanging money for a service (in this case a piece of software). There is this person you associate with that is clearly stealing and claiming money without giving anything in return (also known as crypto's biggest con). This was not a voluntary donation; I sent money in hopes of receiving a good in exchange. What is one to make of this situation? Are you going to talk your way out of this? Perhaps you can use the fact that I am a new and unknown member against me. What is one to think of you and your platform if you partner up with thieves?
I only see the following three possibilities right now. Do not hesitate to correct me:
- You are perfectly aware of who this person is and how he operates. This makes you an accomplice and warrants your entire operation to be labelled a scam, regardless of the handful of active and supposedly satisfied customers you hold.
- You had no idea what shady business he does because he regularly pays up / sells more licenses than you would by only providing credit cards as payment information. Does also not shine a good light on you because I am hesitant to believe that I am the first and only one who ran into issues with him. Here is a person who is gatekeeping potential customers. Perhaps regularly. Who knows how many users have been denied access in this way?
- He's not only a business partner but a friend, brother, head moderator, coder, or the site owner. If any head staff pulls off this kind of shit then your site is to be avoided at all cost. How would that make any sense? Maybe you fear for the security of your cheat and decide - like many others before you - to limit the amount of slots you sell. Maybe those slots are filled and everyone else, instead of turning them away, gets their money yoinked for good measure. Win/win situation.
Closing the circle
You think it is laughable that I have not had contact to anyone at mobiuscheats.com, when their person of trust gatekeeps god-knows how many customers? Not anymore hopefully. I never stood a chance. I will not take this to any other forum than epvp. My only hope is that there is at least one person with enough patience to read through this mess and come to the same conclusion. No, I will not use
your forum to resolve the issue because no one can gauge how far the corruption has spread and how involved anyone at MC might be. Besides, a post like this on a small forum? For what? I am not stupid, I know that most users will ignore anything that is longer than two or three sentences. You'd have every freedom in the world to simply delete it and wipe out every effort I've made to write it. Not only would my cry for help be drowned out like a pathetic little whimper, but I risk exposing myself even further. I have lost all interest for your product. I do not want it, out of fear that I'd be targeted with something malicious to get back to me.
You have to excuse me. I am still filled with nothing but deep regret and anger. There is another possibility, namely that the head people are mobiuscheats are indeed cool people, capable, highly-skilled programmers who provide a solid product. I wish we could have met under different circumstances. You must believe me how deeply I regret this.
Due to the nature of online business, it is impossible to tell who is who and who was involved, as well as who knows what, etc. Therefore, do you not think it makes sense to equate mobiuscheats with their reseller? After all, they advertise him. They call him an "authorized reseller". No one, but the people who are directly involved, can ever be sure of who's guilty or innocent. To me, you're all guilty. A relief as well as one redeeming action that could be done is to permanently cut ties to Mar1k. The problem of online anonymity strikes again however: maybe he's a good earner, too valuable to lose. Maybe he reappears after 3 days under a new pseudonym. Who could tell the difference? No one. As redeeming as it may be, it is also futile.
Just don't tell me he is an outsider who was barely affiliated with you. Merely an external person, who buys and sells keys. I wouldn't believe it.
As it stands right now, I will never retract my statement, nor will I change my mind about mobiuscheats.com
TL;DR#2 My experience with Mobiuscheats.com
- Left empty handed (no product) and with a hole in my pocket (-$40 USD)
- Was forced to interact with a drooling retard, who could barely utter one coherent sentence despite the fact that he has probably spent at least 15 years hunched over in front of his computer, typed in abbreviations like the lazy, cum-guzzling dogfucker that he is.
- Lost an entire afternoon worth of time compiling this garbage post that will go under as soon as the post limit rolls over.
I want this to go away. I really do. I do not enjoy harboring resentment. I do not enjoy sitting here, choosing my words carefully, just to be ignored eventually. I came here because I wanted to play video games and no video games have been played today. None at all. This situation as dire and hopeless as it might seem, can be rectified. And I see only one solution. As unlikely as it is, I will spell it out.
Admit your wrongdoing. Someone is at fault. There's a rat in the system, someone was exceptionally retarded because it was Friday, I don't care. Pick your poison. I do not accept any other compensation but a full refund. If you are reasonable and of a higher intellect, hell even of average intellect, then you cannot deny the fact that I
successfully sent money over the main ETH blockchain. That's money gone from my pocket and into the pocket of
someone else. You can contact me for a wallet address. I want $45 worth of Ether. Forty for the refund, five for the hours of my life that I wasted here in pain and agony. That's a puny hourly rate of $0.70 cents.
As I hit send on this post I will also block that person on Discord. I don't want to hear him, his schizophrenic, reality-bending retarded utterances, nor do I want to hear excuses such as, "oh sorry bro haha it was there all along". How far do you think, will you get, with all of this lying? You think you will ever reach the finishing line? Are you confident that, one day, it will
not come back to bite you? From this point onward, I will pray for your demise. Every. single. day. For you have ruined an entire day, on God's green earth.
@Xenos; I strongly urge you to change their status in the OP. At the very least towards untrusted.
I can't pretend that I have monitored the discussion herein at all. Something tells me that I'm a helpless little minority. Maybe there are tons of vouches that challenge everything I said. Especially if all those supposed user numbers are real and not made up. I wonder what will happen. Shall we just sweep it under the rug? Must've been delicious to Mar1k having a no-name bastard like me come up, ready to throw money at him. Maybe I lost before it even began. Hey, who cares for the 1 in 100 or 1 in 1,000 mishap, right? Let's forget all about it. Mobius ruleZz!! (Note: I used a bit of sarcasm)
One of the core reasons that I am in this debacle were the advertised user numbers. Mobius, Phantomoverlay, EO, are - apparently - prime choice. How are these numbers verified? Can't I just say I run a site and "we" have 50,000 active users (24/7 UD 5ever btw). I just ask because I found it odd how mobius boasts 1,400 active users, yet they have a total of 11 reviews on their Warzone2 product in the store.
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Mobiuscheats.com scam alert: payment stolen by their "authorized reseller"
